Levelle Wood Oral History Interview, February 19, 1984

SL: Your association with Oregon State University?

LW: Well, that is very easy. You need to know, I suppose, where I was born and how I got to Oregon State. Ever since I was a little girl I knew that I was to go to Oregon State University; it was my father's school. My mother had not had the privilege of going farther than through the eighth grade. I went to the same country school, through the eighth grade, that she did. Then I went to high school for two years in Tangent, which is a small town just south of Albany. We lived on a farm at that time. I had been born in Corvallis. My family moved to Corvallis from the farm when I was a junior in high school so it would be easier 00:01:00to go to college. I was very fortunate that my parents were determined that their children should have the education that they had been privileged to have. I entered Oregon State University in the fall of 1917, the same year that Dean Milam became Dean. She looked after me very well from then on.

SL: What was the school like when you entered? What was Home Economics like?

LW: Well, by that time, home economics was housed in the first section of the building, and all the classes in home economics were held in that building. We also had a good wide curriculum by that time. Dean Milam and the previous dean 00:02:00had worked on improving the number of courses and the curriculum in general so it was really a very broad curriculum. I lived at home all the time and, of course, it wasn't popular in those days for young college girls to work in the summer time so I went to summer school. In that way, I gained a number of extra credits, and I had a pretty good base in social sciences as well as the physical sciences.

SL: How big was the school? How many students were in your classes?

LW: Well, I do not remember exact numbers, but usually the classes were no more 00:03:00than twenty-five or thirty in a class.

SL: Then you graduated from college four years later?

LW: Yes.

SL: What did you get your degree in?

LW: It was in Home Economics with a major in education, but I could have majored in textiles and clothing or in foods just as easily. I intended to teach so I did get a certificate for teaching, but I only used it one year.

SL: Was that in 1921?

LW: 1921.

SL: Can you tell us where your first job was?

LW: It was a small high school at Wasco in central Oregon. I was hired for $125 a month which was a big salary in 1921. When I got my first pay check it was for 00:04:00$135 and I didn't understand this, so I went to the school board and said, "My contract: I must have made some error," but they had discovered that I had graduated in the upper fourth of my class and I was entitled to a higher salary.

SL: How nice.

LW: It was nice because living expenses were quite high there. That was my first time away from home.

SL: Was it a small community that you were in?

LW: Yes, only four teachers in high school. I was employed to teach home economics and some science. When I got my assignment, it was for a class in general science, one in physics, one in third term algebra, and one in clothing. 00:05:00Now, I learned a lot that year, believe me!

SL: You just taught there for one year?

LW: One year, and then they were going to kick out the home economics classes that were offered. The superintendent insisted that I not return, but go on with home economics rather than with all the science. So I came home to Corvallis and May Workinger, who was in charge of the placement of students in home economics. She decided that I should take a job and she recommended that I go to Marshfield and teach just home economics at one of the best high schools in the state. I was ready to go as I decided I had better do something; I'd been with my parents 00:06:00all of the time, had only one year of teaching, and I needed to get started. About that time, late summer, I had a call from Dean Milam saying that there was a vacancy at Monmouth. She was going to phone Monmouth and make an appointment with the president for me to go for an interview. I thought that that was a bit strange because I had had only one year of teaching. I was twenty-two years old and I did not think I was ready for a larger job. I told her that I had signed the contract to go to Marshfield but she said, "You go to Monmouth anyway."

I went, and the first thing the President asked me was, "How old are you?" I 00:07:00said that I was twenty-two. "Well, that is quite young, but that's all right," I told him, though, that I would not be willing to give up a contract that I had signed, so I would not do anything about applying any farther. They conferred, and he called the superintendent of the school in Marshfield. This is sad to relate, but you know, it was the time when young women were first cutting their hair. There was only one eligible person who hadn't signed up for teaching, and she had just cut her hair! The Marshfield superintendent had decided that that 00:08:00would be all right -if she had a written credential. It ended up that she took a fifth grade position, and he took a person that had graduated about two years before I had so I went to Monmouth for five years.

SL: And you were the head of the department there?

LW: Yes. It was, of course, a two year school, and every student in the school had to take one course with me. It was quite a new experience. I started with the primary children and had taught everything from paper weaving to wood and ties. By then, the middle grades had the choice of a class in clothing, one in 00:09:00foods, or one in rural homemaking. The students who were going for only one year took a course for six weeks, two hours a day, which was a general course in "just living"; proper foods, dress, decoration of their room and a little on school lunch. By this time, the school lunch program was being talked about and encouraged. That's where I first became Interested in quantity food preparation. That was in 1922.

SL: Then what did you do after you left Monmouth?

LW: I went to New York City for my master's degree. I took it in Institution Management under Mary Degarmom, who was a wonderful person.

SL: Do you remember any particular experience that made you want to pursue Institution Management?

LW: Well, yes there were several things. When I was a senior in college at Oregon State, they had a new course called Teamroom Management. In it they taught quantity cookery, some organization and record keeping and it was all in one course. We also had a meat course over in Waldo Hall that I got interested in during my senior year. Then, as I taught at Monmouth, we did a school lunch program. I have a picture I'll show you of my first school lunch room.

SL: Then, after your graduate work, where did you go from there?

LW: I went to Kansas State University where I was in charge of the residence 00:11:00halls food service and was a part-time instructor. I guess I had the title of first assistant professor. Before I left fifteen years later, I was an Associate Professor.

SL: And at this time you were a dorm mother?

LW: Oh, no. I was the Food Service Director of the residence hall and Associate Professor, teaching Institution Management courses. It was at that time, in 1923, when I went there, that Mrs. West and I started the Department of Institution Management. Previous to that time, Kansas State had taught a few courses in Quantity Food work and they had a cafeteria. It had been combined 00:12:00with Household Management so we started the department of Institutional Management. I stayed there for fifteen years and then went overseas with the American Red Cross.

SL: Can you tell us what experiences you had at Kansas State in the dorm situation?

LW: I lived in the residence hall, and had a very nice living room, bedroom, and bath of my own. The depression came and so the last ten years I was there we operated as a cooperative resident hall where students participated and did all the food preparation. I usually had two boys who were house boys and helped with 00:13:00the dishwashing and the polishing of floors and that sort of thing. I had a maid who worked six hours a day in the bathrooms, and the rest of the work was all organized under a plan whereby the students were participating. We were averaging about seventy-five to ninety girls, divided into about six groups and we rotated jobs every week. In that way they gained experience. Our majors did the student supervisory work for one semester instead of going to the home management house.

SL: When you were at Kansas State University in 1938, you wrote a textbook. Can you tell us about that?

LW: Yes! We had worked on this book for several years. It had to be written on 00:14:00weekends and at vacation time, and it took several years to get it ready for publication. But our publishers were considerate and the Dean, of course, helped us. Dean Justin was a wonderful writer herself and she helped us. She was pretty provoked at me because I did not write a thesis for my master's degree. I had to really learn to write, and I was pleased to be able to follow her directions 00:15:00because she could just make the words flow off the end of her pencil.

SL: Who did you co-author this with?

LW: Mrs. Bessie Brooks-West.

SL: The title of it was?

LW: Food Service in Institutions. It is now supposed to be in revision for the sixth edition.

SL: And they still use it in classrooms all over the nation?

LW: The world. We've had wide reception abroad and in the United States. I think one little interesting comment about that is that one time when I was in New Zealand, they introduced me at a meeting where the dietitians from that section of New Zealand were meeting, and the person who introduced me said, "That book has been my guiding light for a quarter of a century." It seemed to me it would 00:16:00have been much easier to take if she had just said "twenty-five years"!

SL: Now it's been, what, forty-five years?

LW: Yes. We had a wonderful reception and really very little competition.

SL: Was that the first textbook dealing with Institutional management?

LW: It was the first general text, yes, for a basic text. There had been a few books written, especially on school lunch, and then some pamphlets and some magazines articles, but we were in need of a real textbook.

SL: I wanted to talk to you about some overseas work that you did right after you left Kansas State. Tell us where you were and some of the things you did.

LW: I was in the recreation area of the American Red Cross for overseas service 00:17:00and was assigned to the Mediterranean area. We had no idea where we were going, of course, in the beginning. We landed at Oran, in Algeria, which was all new to me. Of course, we didn't even know where we were until we were passing the Rock of Gibraltar.

SL: Was that you first trip overseas?

LW: No. We landed in Oran, and I was assigned as assistant director of the enlisted men's club which was a large club at that time. We got there in January, 1944, just after the Italian invasion. We had had to wait to go 00:18:00overseas because they didn't have room enough to take us when we were ready to go. In Oran I was the assistant director of this large enlisted men's club in which we had, I believe, fourteen American personnel on the staff, thirty-four civilians, and ninety prisoners of war. That was our staff for this large building which had been opened up and put together as a five story building. We had everything from movies to shower baths to music recitals; anything you 00:19:00wished, I mean anything that we could supply. You see, we supplied everything the USO clubs did here in America.

Well, I was in Oran for seven months and then went to Naples as an assistant to the food service director. The food service meant not just feeding our own personnel, but preparing the items for the snack bar, which meant we requisitioned our supplies from the Quarter Master. We had requisitioned bakeries and small ice cream plants, most of which, of course, were quite primitive. We had to get thousands of cookies and breakfast rolls out every day. 00:20:00We had a larger staff of civilian people helping as our workers, and we employed interpreters for the most part because we didn't have time to learn the language; it was so busy every day.

SL: Before you did this work you had been in Japan in 1938. What did you do over there?

LW: Oh, in Japan in '38. I went with Dean Milam on her trip, on her famous trip to China. After we finished our tour in North China, we were caught in Peking at the time of the Japanese invasion of North China. I then went to Japan for three 00:21:00months and stayed with a YWCA person from Canada who had written to Dean Milam asking her if there was anyone in her group who might be able to help them with their housing and the feeding of students. She was interested in putting a curriculum in the YWCA school in Tokyo to train Japanese graduates to take over the management of food services. I had an interesting three months. She gave me a guide and an interpreter, of course, who took me to about twenty schools, from ranging from kindergarten to college, and then to a few commercial places. I 00:22:00made a survey and reported back to her. She sent my guide and interpreter to Kansas State to study for a year and a half.

SL: You imply that there was a special relationship between you and Dean Milam, is that true?

LW: Well, Dean Milam was the kind of person who was very interested in people and her students. She was interested in their education, their development and their progress, and their work after they were on the job. She was always kind and helpful to me. As I said, she saw that I got the job at Monmouth. When I 00:23:00finished my master's in New York City, the Dean at Kansas State and she were at a national meeting, and the Kansas Dean asked her if she knew someone she could hire to come and take over the food service in the resident halls. Dean Milam recommended me and the Dean at Kansas State wrote me a letter and said, "I will give you the job if you want it, on Dean Milam's recommendation, and I won't even come to New York to Interview you."

SL: You remained in close contact with her throughout her life?

LW: Yes. That's right. Not consistently, but we continued to be very close friends.

SL: You described her a little bit, but can you describe Dean Milam in a little 00:24:00more detail for those who have never met her?

LW: Well, she was a very wonderful person. She was a strong person; had high professional, educational, personal, and moral standards. She was quite an idealist in a way, but she inspired all of us to do the very best we could. She was very understanding and encouraging, and as I reviewed some of the chapters of her book, just scanning through quickly, I could see so many places where we had had comparable interests. She was very interested in developing better 00:25:00relationships with people, in promoting new courses of study, and in the advancement of Home Economics. She was a true home economist and instilled in us the desire to carry on in a successful way. I'd joined the American Home Economics Association the first year I was out of college because they had the national association meeting in Corvallis, and she quite insisted that we all become members. I noticed in her book that she mentioned that she had become a fifty year member at a certain time. I also have a certificate for my fifty 00:26:00years membership in the American Home Economics Association. We had many similarities. She was interested in foreign work and did so much to further the study of foreign women from many countries, not just China. She was particularly interested in China at first.

SL: Would you say she was one of the most influential women in your career?

LW: Oh, yes.

SL: Where did you spend the largest portion of your career?

LW: Well, the longest period of time was at Ohio State University, from 1946 to 1965, when I retired from there.

SL: What positions did you hold at Ohio State?

LW: I was chairman of the division of Institution Management. I was told I could never be a full professor because I did not have a Ph.D. degree, but it was not 00:27:00too many years before I was a full professor. I never did no on to get a Ph.D. degree, but I did other things. My major professor at Teacher's College at Columbia University quite insisted that I get a Ph.D. degree, but I told her I was too old by then. I was at least forty.

SL: Can you contrast the Home Economics program at Ohio State to the one you went through as an undergraduate at Oregon State?

LW: Well, I think that as progress is made across the country, every school improves accordingly, so I don't think there was a lot of difference. And, of 00:28:00course, in teaching, in research, in extension work and all that sort of thing, things grew and changed clear across the country.

SL: In 1969 you received the highest honor of the American Dietetic Association? How did you feel when you received that honor?

LW: Well, that was really a highlight and most unexpected.

SL: What was the title of that honor?

LW: The (Marjorie) Copher Award, and it was awarded once a year. It was made possible by Dr. Copher in memory of his wife, who was a dietitian during World 00:29:00War I. He invested funds so that the Copher Award would be available to a person each year, and I was so honored. I had been National President about ten years before that, which was also outstanding.

SL: Then, this last year you received another great honor?

LW: Yes! The Distinguished Service Award. Sixty-two years after graduating from Oregon State, to be so honored was really a highlight. I've had so many highlights in my life it is hard to say which one is most important, but that of course, is my latest and most important.

SL: Can you tell us something that maybe we don't know about? Some other highlights?

LW: Well, I was not the top student as you would expect because at first I was reluctant to barge forth into leadership. I was quite a timid, backward youngster and very much protected by my family. I had to learn leadership in a hurry, and especially after I had to assume more family responsibilities in 1925, when my mother died; she was only fifty. I was just getting started, you see, and it became necessary for me to help familywise. That got me started, and 00:31:00my students in later years just wouldn't believe that I had ever been a timid person.

SL: Looking back at the Home Economics program at Oregon State, how has it changed since 1917 when you first enrolled?

LW: Well, you know that is really difficult for me to say because I'm not too familiar with the details of it now. But, as developments have taken place throughout the years, I would say that it ranks high in my estimation. I'm so glad they have retained the name Home Economics in these changing times when so 00:32:00many people want to change names and standards.

SL: How do you think your studies have helped in your personal life? I'm sure they must have helped you with some of your experiences.

LW: Well, they influenced me greatly in the development of personality and the understanding of how to work with people particularly, and in understanding students. I had a much better feeling for the timid student who found it difficult to go ahead on their own. I have had students from so many countries 00:33:00and at different levels that I feel are my really true friends now, too. Perhaps you haven't had, or maybe you did have in your records, the fact that my students at Kansas State, after many years, have recently established a scholarship fund in my name. That happened just about two or three years ago; after forty years, and I think that is wonderful. And at Ohio State there is a scholarship in my name that was given by the State Restaurant Association. When I retired, they changed the name of their scholarship to my name which I 00:34:00appreciate so much. I've had so many nice things like that happen.

SL: I feel like I've been asking you all the questions. Is there something I'm forgetting or missing that you would like to include?

LW: Well, I don't know. I could go on.

SL We'd like to hear it. Some things that we missed, some important things in your life?

LW: I have always been quite a participant in things after I once got started. For example, at Ohio State University when they had money to enlarge the Home Economics building, I was made the general chairman to work with the contractors, the architects, the builders, plan the furnishings and all that. It was a tremendous job and I was relieved somewhat of my teaching, but not 00:35:00entirely. Another thing at Ohio State was that I was instrumental in helping to get an administrative internship in dietetics going, and we had a number of interns throughout the years I was there. That program has been discontinued now, as have many of the internships. Miss Harger and I, together, write a letter every year at Christmas time to these former graduate students. We're corresponding each year with at least fifty or sixty of them, and it is wonderful to get their letters. They send us pictures of their children or of 00:36:00their next building or whatever they are doing. It is wonderful to keep in contact with them... I think that things of this sort have helped so much in the building of personality, relationships and all. I have graduate students in many countries around the world.

After I retired, I traveled for nine months around the world and I was a tourist for only one week. I wasn't always staying with students or relatives; I was in hotels, it's... but I was traveling by myself and went from place to place. Of course, one of the big events of that year was that I was the American 00:37:00representative on the organizing committee for the International Congress of Dietetics. It was held in Stockholm, Sweden. I went to a committee meeting two years previous to the Congress to help with the planning. There were nine of us on the committee, maybe seven, but each one from a different country. We planned the schedule for the program and then after I retired, I went directly to Stockholm and participated in that Congress. I'll show you the pictures of it.

SL: What other type of things have you done since you have retired? Organizations you have been Involved with?

LW: After I returned from that trip around the world, I was with family for a 00:38:00while and then I moved here. I was here for a month, and then went to Seattle and filled in for one quarter for Margaret Tarro who had not had a vacation for a long time. She was head of the Institution Management Department at the University of Washington. Then about a year later, I went to the University of Tennessee at Knoxville and filled in for a quarter and a half there. That brought back many pleasant memories because I had grown up here in Oregon with my grandparents and great grandparents, and my parents and one of my great grand-mothers had come from Tennessee after the Civil War, or as soon as there 00:39:00was a railroad out to California. To come up to Oregon, they had to buy a horse and a wagon. I had always wanted to go back to Tennessee to see where they had lived and to see the places that I had heard about from the time I was a little girl. That was as rewarding as teaching at the University. There I had the wonderful opportunity of being the first professor to use a new system of teaching which they had just inaugurated. Half of my class was in Nashville and half of it was in Knoxville. We had a telephone and a video connection so that my students in Nashville could see what I wrote on the screen in Knoxville. They 00:40:00could hear me by phone, and we could talk back and forth. That was a new experience.

SL: How far apart are they?

LW: A hundred and fifty miles, I think. It was a new experience for me, and for them too. They were just trying it out. Of course, now they have video tapes and all that, you know, but at that time, almost twenty years ago, it was new.

SL: Have you ever had time for any hobbies?

LW: Oh, yes, I have had lots of fun and lots of collections. You have probably seen some of the things I have given to Oregon State.

SL; Are they displayed in the suite?

LW: Yes, the black lacquered dishes from Japan that are in the cabinet in the 00:41:00suite I sent all of my cookbooks that I had collected from around the world, and they are in the library of the Foods and Nutrition Department. A lot of textiles that I had collected and that could be used as demonstration models are at Oregon State in the Home Economics building. I have lots of other things to dispose of. Many things you collect you don't know why you've collected them; now why do I hang on to them!

SL: What other hobbies have you been Involved with?

LW: Traveling, and I used to collect old gloves and scarves and pocketbooks; 00:42:00things of that sort that I could carry. And items like this screen I got in India, these tables from Hong Kong, this coffee table from Damascus, and things of that sort. Now I am trying to dispose of them. One Christmas I gave away ninety place mats; you see, those were the things that I could collect. I enjoyed doing it very much, but I really don't need them now.

SL: Living in a place like this, have you had any influence on the food service in the building?

LW: Well, I'm asked questions every once in a while, and I've been asked to serve on the foods committee but I tell them that I think it is better for 00:43:00someone else because I wouldn't want to be too much of an Influence. If our food was bad, that would be different, but we have good food and we have plenty of it. It is well prepared and it's tasty. I live here and I want to enjoy it, not manage it. It would bother me terribly if I were the manager and had someone interfering all the time.

SL: Well, what other things have you done since you retired?

LW: One quarter Miss Harger and I taught a class cooperatively, a night class at Portland State for Oregon State. I have helped here in the manor a great deal, I 00:44:00have served as treasurer of the manor association for about eight and a half years, and then for a few years more with our foundation, collecting memorial funds and gifts, not the official settlement of the estates, or anything like that, but other kinds of things. Now I have been historian for several years I'm anxious to eventually have someone else take that over, but I knew so much about it as I'd bought in to the Manor while the building was being constructed, but didn't move in for ten years. They wanted to build the place and have it free of 00:45:00debt, so they resold many apartments for which they collected the money but deducted the interest on your purchase price so when I was ready to move in, I owned my apartment.

SL: What are your future plans? Do you plan to take another worldwide trip?

LW: I think not. I think I'm about finished with traveling. My sister and I went to England and Scotland this last spring and before that we had a nice trip to Portugal and Spain and Morocco. The trip before that was through the Canal from Panama to Guatemala. I have a very fine former student who lives in Guatemala. 00:46:00She surprises me every once in a while by giving me a telephone call. That's wonderful! Marvelous!

SL: Anything else to add?

LW: Well, I don't know how much more you want on the professional side. I do have honorary membership in Omicron Nu, and Phi Nu, and I have been a member of the AAUW, the American Home Economics Association and the American Dietetic Association. In Columbia, Ohio, I was a member of Zonta, which is a women's 00:47:00service organization, like Altrusa, and also Delta Kappa Gamma, which was a teacher's organization. I've been listed in Who's Who of American Women, Who's Who in America, and that sort of thing. It has all come as a part of one's life, and as you go on, with the progress of the times. I use to work with the restaurant people a great deal, and the Ohio State Restaurant Association gave me a life membership in their association when I retired, as did the Ohio Dietetics Association. Things of that sort are very meaningful.

SL: You mentioned earlier that your father went to Oregon State?

LW: Yes! My father was a very poor boy who grew up in Alsea, and when he and Jackie Horner, (a noted Oregon historian who lived in Corvallis and taught at OSU) were fishing one time, Jackie persuaded him to go to school and to earn his way as he went, and so he graduated in 1896. I have been to more alumni dinners with him than I have been to my own.

SL: What did your father study?

LW: At that time Agriculture was the main thing, you know. I must say, as I read through Dean Milam's first day on the Oregon campus, she talked about the trees 00:49:00that were planted down that center walk. At that time it extended from 9th Street clear up to the main building (Benton Hall). My father was helping to plant those trees the day I was born. My family thought I ought to save some money when I first began to teach; I should do something with some of my money, you know. Of course I didn't have much, but I had some so I bought a vacant lot on 29th Street or near there in Corvallis. I had to build a sidewalk and was going to have to pay for a paved street and a few more things so I sold it, and that helped me get my master's degree.

SL: I'd like to hear more about your early life in Corvallis.

LW: Yes, I was born in a house that I'm told was at the corner of Jackson and 9th Streets. We lived there until I was about a year and a half old and then we moved to Idaho for a short time where my father was Superintendent of the College Farm. You see, this was way back in 1900. I go back a long way! Then they came back to Oregon and moved to a farm over in Linn County. I grew up on 00:51:00the farm during the six elementary school years that it took to go through the 8th grade.

SL: You were the oldest child in your family?

LW: Yes. My grandparents lived next to us so I grew up with very close family relationship which have been wonderful. Now I'm kind of the last of the line. My father's people came to Oregon and settled around the Philomath and Corvallis areas for the most part. I used to always go to the family reunions. The last one I went to was two years ago; the 75th annual family reunion which was held 00:52:00in Philomath for the Hankel family. The country cemetery between Corvallis and Lebanon and a little bit to the south, is where I have two sets of great-grandparents buried, and one set of grandparents is buried in the cemetery between Corvallis and Philomath.

SL: Since you grew up in and lived in Oregon, it must have been a shock to go to New York.

LW: Well, it was, but it was a wonderful year, and I had such good friends along with me. It was great education in its self. My work at Oregon State was highly 00:53:00acceptable, and I was even admitted with a deficiency in history as I had extra credits in Social Science that they substituted. I was very pleased with my nine months in New York. I went back for two more summer schools after that.

SL: When you went to places like New York, Ohio and Kansas, did you always have an idea that you would return to Oregon?

LW: Eventually for retirement, yes, I always did. I bought into the Willamette Manor, you see, ten years before I retired. Everyone thought I was crazy; thoughts of retirement, paying my money down, and all of that!

SL: When did you first learn of the Manor?

LW: Well, I came home one summer from Ohio and my cousin, who in Monmouth, and I thought we would like to find a duplex in Portland. We spent two days with a real estate agent looking around Portland and found nothing that we could afford to buy or that we were interested in buying. We thought we could perhaps live together if we were in a duplex. We didn't want to live together but we could be close. Then she said that there was a new retirement home that they were selling apartments in, and "it's a new idea." Well, we went to a church basement over 00:55:00here on the east side of Portland somewhere and saw the floor plan. It was exactly what I wanted. So by Christmas, 1954, I had paid my money. I was not to move in for ten years. She felt she couldn't afford it, so she didn't do it. I came when the time was right, and I'm very happy to have done so. It's a wonderful feeling of security to know you will be taken care of regardless of what happens. You are not going to be dependent on any of your relatives or anything like that. We have our own care provided for and that's wonderful; you 00:56:00can be as independent as you want to be.

SL: What else do you have in that file over there that maybe you can tell us about?

LW: I think you've had about enough. I'd be glad to show you a few little things that might help to explain some of these comments, as they have been more at random and not organized.

SL: Well, thank you very much for the interview.

LW: Well, I've enjoyed it very much.